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The impossible has been done. I found a character I hate more than Seth.

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  1. KakeiTheWolf

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    If you have seen a decent amount of my posts, you'd be well acquainted with the fact I despise everything about Seth. His smarmy attitude, his pretentious facade of being "cultured", his dumb coy act, his readiness to insult people with zero provocation, his complete self-absorption, his "identity crisis" bullcrap... I hate it all. But somehow, the impossible has been done. Amorous managed to offer a far worse character: Mercy.

    See, Seth may be a complete asshole, but he is at least consistently an asshole. Mercy is not consistent about anything. Don't get me wrong, Mercy has a nice personality for the most part, but after a certain point in the date path, Mercy's personality takes a backseat to a constant focus what Mercy is packing downstairs. This becomes irritating very fast.

    I don't even know what Mercy is. Is Mercy a hermaphrodite? Is Mercy a dude that decided to get boobs? Is Mercy a girl that decided to get a schlong? What is Mercy exactly? Apparently, I don't get to ever know. I mean, if Mercy was actually a hermaphrodite, hey, I'm cool with that. Not my area of expertise, but I'm not going to turn someone down on account of a genetic condition. If Mercy is in fact a guy who got boobs (most likely as an MTF), can you at least tell me that you were born a guy so that I don't have to look up your birth certificate to find the truth? And if you are a girl who decided to be packing some heat, I'm down with that: you're still a girl, after all.

    But no. Despite Mercy gushing out about the relatively meaningless facet of personal identity that is one's junk, I am never given specifics. I can't help but feel like Mercy's just trying to hide something from me, which I feel is very dishonest. And seriously, Mercy, I can't even dance with you? What, are you THAT ashamed of being with me? I mean, if you had an issue, try wearing clothing that actually fucking conceals something.

    And then you end up driveling on about some ridiculously ambiguous "surgery". What the fuck am I supposed to infer from that? For all I know, "surgery" could just mean getting some kidneystones removed! How about this, Mercy: Actually tell me what you mean to say, instead of giving me idiotically vague terms. Makes my life easier. I cannot attach any meaning to "surgery" if I don't know what the fucking procedure you're talking about is.

    Oh, let's get to the real fun part. The rude awakening of the "art" gallery. Gee, Mercy, thanks for inviting me... to a fucking erotic museum! Seriously, what the fuck? How am I supposed to manage a conversation with you while surrounded by huge paintings of giant cocks? You don't think that pushes an enormous amount of pressure on me, knowing you apparently decided the single worst location to pour out your heart to me at? The fuck is wrong with you, Mercy?

    And then, you expect me to know some deep and significant (and totally vague) meaning out of some sculpture. Are you fucking kidding me? If you asked me what I thought that was, I would have said that it looks like the Mozilla Waterfox logo (which it is a dead ringer for, by the way)! But apparently, almost anything I say makes me an utter dickhole in your eyes.

    Then, if I manage to get past this (and believe me, getting this far is Mercy's path is a miracle that I achieved by luck alone), Mercy goes to powder up. Then comes a part that is ridiculously hard to pass. Virtually anything you could do in the next two sets choices you get can end up with Mercy telling you to fuck off. What the hell is up with that?

    So once she leaves, in waltzes fuckin' Stilts McGee, this colossal hyena (or whatever he is) that could probably eat me alive with ease. Out of nowhere, this insane prick gives you the third degree, and this lone random asshole is the only thing deciding whether or not Mercy will ever speak to you again. Might I remind you that you have to answer these questions perfectly in the single most awkward and uncomfortable place of locale possible? And dude, seriously, can you just accept that you aren't in college anymore and that Mercy is an adult capable of making decisions without you? I mean, who do you think you are, Mercy's father?

    Assuming you pass the trials of Sir Meat-Slab, you will finally have Mercy approve of you. If you got this far, you either got here by luck, trial-and-error, or you cracked open the data files to see the programming of the date. Mercy takes you back to an apartment, which unsurprisingly looks just like everyone's apartment. Cripes, people, decorate a little. I don't care if it is a jar of flowers, do SOMETHING to be an individual.

    Now, here's where the path gets dickish. No matter what you've done up to this point, there is virtually an impossibility of getting an outcome other than the one where you mount Mercy (So much for all that confidence, filthy talk, and drive). There actually is a second ending though, and you will not believe how stupid the requirement is: You need breasts.

    That's right. If you don't have breasts, you will never be anything but top. Nothing in the entire date path can get you as a bottom if you don't have breasts. And even with breasts, you need to do the entire path perfectly. You won't get that by luck, trust me. You WILL need to cheat, and that means unzipping MercyPredate.json and MercyDate.json (they are both gzip files). Then, you will need to VERY carefully pore over the entirety of the two files in something like Notepad++. You'll quickly realize in doing this, however, just how moronic the structure of Mercy's date path is.

    First, you'll learn that Mercy's date is a minefield. It has more points of failure than any other; an enormous amount of choices lead to Mercy cutting ties with you and your number getting blocked. I can't tell you the number of ways this can happen, because I lost count somewhere after 30. The triggers for failure range from things that actually make you deserve to be kicked to the curb to not picking up on very cryptic and subtle clues. You will need either a very good memory to avoid these or you will need to write on a sheet of paper every single thing that leads to Mercy making you a persona non grata.

    You will also notice where all the effort goes into in the programming. I kid you not, there is actually more effort putting into fat-shaming your character if you have a "Chubby" body type. Coby mocks you, Mercy mocks you, everyone mocks you. It also puts an enormous emphasis on making terrible jokes if you have a "Knot" cock. And most absurdly of all, a completely separate path is made if your character has breasts, and it is a far easier path.

    You also will realize that Mercy's path forces you into situations whether or not you want to avoid them. Don't want to make a big deal out of Mercy's endowment? Too bad, there is no way to avoid this, and believe me, I checked fervently. Don't want a skyscraper of a hyena to grill you like a criminal? Too bad, you cannot avoid this either, and I did so desperately check for any way to get around this. Don't feel comfortable in an erotic museum? Mercy doesn't fucking care, and you will always be forced to go there.

    The whole entire path is an absolute mess. It's baffling and cryptic, extremely difficult to do right, and your payoff sucks. Despite Mercy clearly having a personality, the writers clearly cared more about focusing on Mercy's knockwurst than on making a connection between Mercy and the player. Like Seth's path, what the player wants and needs doesn't matter. You just are an object to be talked at, and you serve as Mercy's therapist instead of as Mercy's significant other. Just like how you're nothing but a whiteboard for Seth as he furthers his ambitions without even giving a fuck about the player.

    See, people like Seth and Mercy... I can't stand them. All Seth cares about is his own desires, and all Mercy cares about is soapboxing about Mercy's issues. Seth only cares about Seth, Mercy only cares about Mercy. There's no reason to waste time waiting for love, care, and genuine interest to be sincerely reciprocated from people who will never be capable of being sincere. But at least Seth isn't a liar, and he at least makes his intentions clear. He may be a self-absorbed asshole, but at least he doesn't try to hide it. Mercy is a self-absorbed asshole who pretends to care, and is just a nicely dressed piece of deceitful pond scum.

    With that said, here's how my ranking stands:

    :amlaughing: - 1st; don't see this changing.
    :amangry: - 2nd; She's only in second because she is the only girl. She'll drop fast, I'm sure.
    :amgrumpy: - 3rd; I can relate to PTSD, but he barely edges out Dustin. At least I get to shoot things.
    :amcocky: - 4th; He isn't lower only because of the magnificent movie scene. My face hates being smashed against dashboards.
    :amsmuggy: - 5th; This isn't a date path, it is the result of someone in charge of programming getting piss drunk.
    :amshy: - 6th; This is basically the worst type of gay guy: Pretentious asshole whose ideal guy is himself.
    :amflirty: - 7th; Fire the fucker who wrote this path.
     
  2. Carrotear

    Carrotear New Member

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    Dude...you are reading WAY too much into this then it needed to be. This game is a wip, just give it sometime.
     
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  3. KakeiTheWolf

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    The characters, personality-wise, aren't WIP. Meaning they actually are okay with characters being this bad.
     
  4. Carrotear

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    It's probably something I'm missing, but I've seen worst characters in other games like this. Like Hunie Pop, THOSE characters were like stereotypes at it's worst (Or best depends on the perspective. Don't get me wrong, fun game.) At least to me they're fine, especially my fav Seth. HOW is he an asshole again? He's like Fluttershy if she actually spoke more often then she does now. Now you can bring OUT the Assholiness in them by picking certain dialogues, ya know like real people, Because I've seen and been around assholes and these characters are like Markiplier (Just one of the nicest people I can think of atm) compared to the people I've met and seen. But again I don't see the problems with these characters other than them needing more depth and needing more than 3 dates to finish the game. (Unless you want it done quickly like in Farcry 4, just pick Coby.) Now the part about Mercy is a little harsh don't ya think? This character was just recently added so it's fair to expect some flaws on a new addition. This as a whole is something I see has a lot of potential and even more in the future, and again, it just needs more depth, more customization (Maybe Presets for different backstories for your player) and more exploration is all I want to see. And finally, It's their game, If they want to write them "Badly" it's up to them. Hell if anything, the writing here actually motivated me to get back into writing again. Just saying it's just a fun...adult...simulator game. No harm.
     
  5. KakeiTheWolf

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    Hey, look, I'm a writer. Bad writing pisses me off, and I'm going to call people out when they do it. Again, the vast majority of the game is quite well written, barring Mercy, Coby, and Seth. I hardly can even count Coby, because he's more like an Easter Egg than a real path. As for Huniepop, I don't think I can actually take that game seriously, unlike Amorous.

    I'm at a loss for how you can compare Fluttershy to Seth. From what I can glean, Fluttershy is a genuinely loving and altruistic character who views the well-being and happiness as paramount. She is more than willing to stick her neck out for anyone, friend or not.

    Seth is basically the opposite of that. At no point in his entire date path does he show any care about someone outside of himself. To him, the player is just a wall to bounce ideas off of, and you spend the entire time furthering HIS ambitions while he offers you fuck-all in return. If you say the wrong thing to him (not a hard task), he is very quick to make sure you are aware how little he thinks of you. Not even just offensive things that you say, mind you, but anything that isn't sucking off his ego.

    His "struggling writer" situation would meant something 10 years ago, but considering the dwarfing of distribution channels for physical literary media (newspapers, magazines, books, et cetera), the ubiquity of easily made eBooks, and a massive array of self-publishing outlets of the modern day... yeah, I simply can't invest any emotion into him when he can log on to a fucking website and publish a shitload of stuff, paperback or hardback.

    He's not really sweet or romantic either. He doesn't even give a fuck about the player until you are standing in his damn apartment about to bury your cock into him. You're basically a stepping stool for this little trust fund brat. In fact, unless you are viciously complimentary of the kid, he'll be quick to show how much he hates you. Believe me, I actually gave the NICE answers.

    And honestly, how can anyone possibly empathize with a filthy rich only child born with a silver spoon in his mouth who has wanted for nothing material? Yeah, you're so much of a tortured soul... Here I am complaining about the fact that I'm a jobless shut-in who not only has to live with his step-parents out of lack of funds, but I also have to share a room with my step-brother who, more often than not, keeps me up at night as random dudes fuck him, but no... you're really the one who should be pitied. Fuck off, Seth.

    Seth is smarmy, vain, condescending, insulting, pretentious, believes he is some cultured nonpareil, and sees everyone else as inferiors. You know, your average asshole, the kind who you are amazed haven't had their teeth knocked out yet. I played through his path four times to see if I did something wrong, and nope. He really is that terrible of a guy. And yeah, I don't buy him being a virgin. Virgins don't go to bisexual nightclubs known to have orgies on a whim as their hangout of choice. I mean, that is most definitely not his first time there.

    As for Mercy, no, it really isn't harsh. A good character for a relationship should be willing to be honest about things, and Mercy is honest to the point Mercy feels comfortable with. Cripes, I can't even figure out a pronoun because I don't know what the fuck Mercy is. Herm, MTF, FTM? Give me some info, Mercy, and stop making your dick the end all be all of your entire life and identity, and you'd be much more tolerable.

    Also, might I remind you that the developers control release dates? Meaning they approved of this shitty personality for release. Also, whoever did the programming, stop putting in so many fucking conditional flags in Mercy's story. They broke Mercy's path, because now a lot of things that should only be said or done under certain circumstances are happening by default. You do NOT need to devote so much dialogue to fat-shaming the character, dammit!
     
  6. Sir Wolf

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    I have to disagree with you to an extent about Mercy, though it felt very focused on getting towards the sex with her, I did enjoy how playful she was and I love it when a female (Yes I know she isn't technically female) knows what she wants and kind of just goes for it. Now there could of been more development between you and Mercy's relationship which would of been nice but overall I did enjoy the experience, and I liked the couple touches they adding in such as her actually wearing the necklace you buy for her.

    I also wanted to add that she days explain to you that she is MTF and has undergone hormone therapy and such, just is very afraid of going through the surgery. I like how she did give you some background such as that, and the situation with the art museum, it being passed over to her and such by family.

    Lastly, the writer for Mercy's story was someone new they brought on, and she actually is very anxious to go back over some of the stories if I remember correctly.

    EDIT: Also, I got through her path with no hiccups. I guess I was lucky, though one thing I want to add was the music in her apartment being the same as yours, it was terrible at setting the mood for me.
     
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  7. KakeiTheWolf

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    Don't get me wrong, I like Mercy's go-getter attitude and her raunchy playful nature. I never found the necklace path, because the game kept interpreting it as the bird statue (grr... coding mishaps!). I think my main issue was that Mercy has a LOT going for, but she just dredges up the gender and anatomy stuff way too often. I mean, no matter how much you say you love Mercy for who she is, Mercy always turns it into an issue about what is downstairs. I wish Mercy was written a little better in her actually being a little more accepting of me loving WHO she is, not WHAT she has in her pants.

    It is a relief though, that Mercy is at least FTM, because that's actually a really unique writing direction to take. I kid you not, the only things I recall offhand that did that were FFV and TwoKinds, both of which did the plot element justice. I think if less focus was on the identity issue and more on Mercy letting her bold, confident personality really shine, I would easily rank her above Cody and Seth. But as is, I don't see that happening.

    It is very good to know that it was a new writer. My rather wrath-filled post was working off the assumption that one of the original writers had made it, which, considering how well Jax's path, Zenith's path, and Dustin's movie scene were done, I thought this would have been a sloppy hack-job on their part.

    All in all, this information you gave does call me to soften my initial view. But until her problems concerning her "gender identity over personality" vibe are dealt with, I can't say she is going to go higher than the bottom, if only because I don't like seeing someone who is a wonderful person with a beautiful personality and heart mire all of it in something like gender identity. I like people for their personality, who they are inside, what they were born like. If a person is to be beautiful in my eyes, it will be when they are true to what they are. No makeup, no smoke and mirrors, no surgery to "beautify".
     
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    When a porn game becomes super cereal.
     
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    Completely agree with you about Seth, but i didn´t think Mercy was that bad ^^
     
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  10. KakeiTheWolf

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    Finally, I'm not the only one that sees these issues with Seth!

    As for Mercy, I have gone on to say that AS IS, Mercy is terrible. If Mercy was rewritten to focus more on her wonderful personality instead of constantly reminding the player of her issues with her dong, then I'd speak differently. Though, I will give props to Team Amorous for making the bold and original decision to cover FTM transgenderism, instead of the horribly bland and stale token MTF thing that EVERYONE has done.
     
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    Mmh yeah gotta agree with you; it´s annoying shes most of the time having issues with her genitalia. Probably one of the only reasons I thought she was better then Seth, is that she´s a nice and bold change
     
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    Alpha-Betas? Queerios? Porn Flakes? Raisin' Brands? Apple Facks? Booty-O's (oh, wait, that's real)? Vanilla Sex? Porn Pops? Cap'n Scrunch? Cinnamon Toes Munch? Coco Poofs? Nookie Lisp? C*nt Cockula? Cream of Meat? Spankin' Fairy? Foof Loops? Ape-Nuts? Knave? Fucky Charms? Mini-Heats? Mr. D? Mice Friskies? Bunny Smacks? Twinkies (wait, real again)? Lix?

    Name one.
     
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    Yeah, but I consider her worse because, while she is MUCH better than Seth as a person, she always makes that take a back seat just to talk about here genitals.

    I get it, Mercy, you're trans. But your genitals are NOT why I bothered to call you after you got drunk as hell in the club. Your personality was the reason. I'd rather see THAT on display.
     
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    Yeah true. Her story would be much better if she got more and more confident about herself and realized I liked her because of who she is ^^
     
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    I...OK... Still a fun game right?
     
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    Ryeiu Active Member Team Amorous Supporter

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    chirst people you argue worse than an irish man arguing with a german on which beer is better to drink all day
     
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    I didn't mean to start anything, I aplogize.
     
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    Ryeiu Active Member Team Amorous Supporter

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    that isn't the problem friend state your opinion, fight for it; defend and be YOU!
     
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    Ryeiu Active Member Team Amorous Supporter

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    Though my purple contacts and unbiased mind I see things for what they are
     
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    I stand by my opinion don't get me wrong, it's just there's so much wall of text I can reply to without reminding myself (My eyes hurt and I'm hungry)
     
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